[BLML] ACBL Laws Commission draft minutes 13th March 2010[SEC=UNOFFICIAL]

Grattan grandaeval at tiscali.co.uk
Sat May 29 17:09:28 CEST 2010



Grattan Endicott<grandaeval at tiscali.co.uk
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Frick" <rfrick at rfrick.info>
To: "Bridge Laws Mailing List" <blml at rtflb.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 2:17 AM
Subject: Re: [BLML] ACBL Laws Commission draft minutes 13th March
2010[SEC=UNOFFICIAL]


> On Fri, 28 May 2010 20:46:22 -0400, Steve Willner <swillner at nhcc.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/27/2010 2:41 PM, Marvin French wrote:
>>>  A player must not take an action suggested by UI if there
>>> is a logical alternative.
>>
>> I think there's near-universal agreement on that, but there's some
>> difficulty with the exact way L16B1 is phrased.  One way out of the
>> difficulty is to say that the action chosen is always a logical
>> alternative.  An alternative is to say that L73C is separate and
>> independent of L16B.  These will come to pretty much the same thing in
>> most cases, but the point is to rule out _all_ actions suggested by UI.
>
>
> L16B1 says, almost, that a player may not choose an LA suggested by the UI
> when there is an LA not suggested by the UI.
>
> It should say that a player may not choose an ALTERNATIVE suggested by the
> UI when there is an LA not suggested by the UI.
>
> When you put in that first "logical", you create your problems.
>
>
> (As for your patches: It is clear from the 2007 definition of "logical
> alternative" that a bid is not a logical alternative just because a player
> makes it. I think we want L16B1 to have precedence over L73C, precisely
> because we do not want to rule out the possibility of a player making the
> bid suggested by the UI.)
>
> Bob
<<<
+=+ Blmlers may care to discuss whether, to be among "the class
of players in question" [Law 16B1(b)], a player must also, like the
player who made the call, consider the call made to be among the
logical alternatives.
                                  ~ Grattan ~   +=+




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